Are You Working to Live or Living to Work? | Amy Gardner | #33

by | Mar 23, 2022 | Career, Lawyers

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Are You Working to Live or Living to Work? | Amy Gardner | #33

by Dave Lorenzo

Are you Working to Live or Living to Work?

If you are a professional and you know you’re not on the right career path, this is the show for you. If you are a professional and you work for other people and you want to be on your own, this is the show for you. If you don’t know what you want to do, this is the show for you.

Today Dave Lorenzo interviews Amy Gardner and she helps attorneys find their ideal career. She focuses on attorneys but this show is applicable for anyone in professional services.


00:00 – Your Career as a Profession: Are You Working to Live or Living to Work?
01:20 – How Did Amy Become a Career Development Guru for Lawyers?
03:30 – What Happens if You Realize You Invested So Much in Your Career and You Feel You Cannot Make a Change?
05:40 – If You Want Freedom, You Must Do This
06:30 – Even In-house Lawyers Need relationships
08:00 – What is the Value of Managing and Growing Relationships? Is It Ever Too Late to Start?
09:45 – A Tale of Two Lawyers 
12:14 – What Does a Career Path Look Like For a Lawyer Today?
20:40 Why Don’t Law Firms focus on Leadership? What Can Be Done to Change This?
23:00 – Why is Promoting the Top Originator or Top Billing Attorney Often a Mistake?
26:00 – Should Lawyers Embrace Non-Lawyer Managers?
27:45 – What is the Future of Non-Lawyer Ownership of a Law Firm?
29:30 – Are The Ethical Concerns About Non-Lawyer Ownership Unfounded?

Amy M. Gardner Co-Founder Apochromatik

About Amy Gardner Amy M. Gardner is a Certified Career Development and Career Transitions Coach and Team Development and Leadership Consultant with Apochromatik. Amy’s work draws on her unique experience as dean of students at the University of Chicago Law School and a successful career practicing law, first as a Big Law litigation associate, and later as an associate and then partner at a mid-size Chicago firm. She received her B.A. from Luther College, her J.D. from the University of Chicago Law School, and her M.A. in Public Policy and Administration from Northwestern University.

Amy works with attorneys one-on-one and through small group Future in Focus attorney masterminds, while her work developing teams and leadership within teams spans all industries. Her career, team development, and goal achievement advice has been featured in media including Bustle, Corporette, Glassdoor, Health, Monster, NBC, and Women’s Running magazine. You can email Amy at

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